Cyril is of course completely right so far as it goes with knowledge of development of nature in Hegel's time. It intrigues me still that Hegel was fairly free with germs which are notions, magnets which are syllogisms, children who are mediated and so on, but not evolution, not real development.

Cyril also seems to be right about questioning nature producing man, though I'm not sure where that leads.

Cyril's question "what is this dialectic?" is a fair question which deserves an answer, but I STILL think the question of "in what sense if any can we talk of ANY concept being 'in nature'" also deserves an answer.

Cyril, I thank you for your patience, ... I do think we are collectively making progess here though.